Sunday, March 25, 2007

Sharing the work of writing a new tech plan

This post is a dynamic document published using a method proposed by Owen Kelly in co-innovation with Zoho Writer.

Retesting Kelly-Zoho publishing innovation

Arvind found my post in Co-producing Innovation about the Kelly-Zoho publishing co-innovation and suggested a modification that might allow it to display as Kelly has proposed. Here, I try making the modification to see whether it works:

Apparently, it still does not work. Otherwise the post would display between the opening paragraph and this concluding paragraph. I tried the same test at Co-producing Innovation and Arvind's suggestion did not work there either. I'm glad I persisted. The script did not display in the preview of the post so I assumed that it would not show up in the published post. So I wrote the concluding paragraph so that I would have a record of the event and Arvind would have the feedback on his suggestion. Blogger gave me a pleasant surprise when it rendered the script in the published version. Note that I modified Arvind's suggestion in one respect: he suggested a non-breaking space   as a place holder. I tried that but switching back and forth among html, compose and viewing, Blogger lost the code for the non-breaking space. Instead, I just entered the word "tesTing". It survived the editor and does not display in the output.

Monday, March 12, 2007

Access to Zoho Scripts?

What will Blogger do with my Zoho Creator Scripts?

Unlike other blog engines, Blogger does not strip out the javascripts, it leaves them intact in the code. I even see in the status line that the brower has sent a request for data to Zoho Creator. But I don't see the results of requests to render the data into a table. That means that Blogger parses the javascript, but selects what it will render. If it were working, you would see a table of values in the open space below. I need to check out Google Pages because they serve Tiddlywiki pages which contain scripts. What are the differences?

Learning to use JSON at Zoho Creator

This page documents my efforts to learn how to tap into the Zoho Creator Database that I can create with little programming experience. The potential users include anyone who wants to take advantage of the power of distributed data entry and use. Exhibit, a part of the Simile Project at MIT, allows one to mashup data sources for interesting renderings of data. They have demonstrated use of a Google Spreadsheet as a data source but require that it have all kinds of special treatment. I wanted to learn whether Zoho Creator would offer a better interaction. The data in the table below are a subset drawn from one of my public Creator databases. It demonstrates that I can access and use JSON data from Zoho.


Mon. 10:00AM 11-Mar. 2007: By looking at tutorials at, I found the javascript I needed to run through the list of records: For...In Statement. I copied the code and inserted it into my page, made sure that it worked there and then started to modify it to see whether I could make it work in my case. Still need to use the full names that come from Creator to access the values but it works. Able with a little trial and error to add the table formatting to the output to get the results in a standard form.

Sun. 8:30PM 10-Mar. 2007: GOT IT! This javascript page requests the data from the JSON output at zohoCreator and pulls back the selected values. Confirmed that it was working by going to the Creator page and modifying the entries there and making sure that they are reflected in the output here. Noted that Zoho Creator is relatively slow in providing the output. This page takes only 8 ms to load but Zoho took 28 seconds to give back the answers. Will have to inquire about their response times. After editing again, I tested again and found that Creator responded in less than 18 seconds (to return 252 b). And on the third try, it returned the data in 2.99s.

Monday, March 5, 2007

A Google human's response

Less than 24 hours after submitting my request for review, a human at Google sent the results of the review that they prompted me to request:
Date: Mar 5, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [#119919476] Blogger Beta non-spam review and verification request:


Your blog has been reviewed, verified, and cleared for regular use so that it will no longer appear as potential spam. If you sign out of Blogger and sign back in again, you should be able to post as normal. Thanks for your patience, and we apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.

The Blogger Team
So much for a human response. And who is the agent here? What prompted the flag? What assurances do I have that they will accept further experiments with Scene Selector Lists? Have they modified the filters to accept this variant of legitimate multi-linking?

Attn: Google's Human Reviewer

Google's spam-prevention robots have flagged my blog.
Since you are reading this, you are not a simple-minded Bayesian spam filter. Please consider additional explanation for this approach that you will find at:

I would have preferred to keep this discussion here at to maintain integrity of the development. But I don't know what your decision will be so I created the additional information in a place where I could be sure that it will be preserved.